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fucking internet.....

Journal Entry: Mon Feb 4, 2013, 6:31 PM
i consider myself a fairly open minded person, and quite an easy guy to talk to.  when people want to share my pictures and strips, i take it as a compliment.  when people want to do fanarts i take it as an even greater one.

when people want to trace my stuff or use it as a reference, i say, go for it. if it helps you learn something, awesome!

when people want to edit something of mine and take the moment to ask me to do it, i usually say yes

we are all different, we all have our own little fetishes, and mine being bdsm, who the fuck am  i to judge.

but recently i have been sent a link of one of my pictures, ally and lisa as a ponygirl one edited to be a guy....and it pissed me off.
not because the picture was edited, hell not even because whoever did it ended up putting their own website watermark to it... fuck it

what pissed me off is that the person who did it couldn't take a second to ask could he or she do it. just basic  respect
cause the funny thing is, i would have said yes. we are all weird in our own way.

hell even if i got asked now, retroactively i would still allow it, its the finding out from others that annoys me

so, if you happen to see that picture, know that is was made without permission. and that, ladies and gentlemen.. is rare

also to clarify,  fanarts, im flattered by them. their existence  means i am doing something right with this story. i merely want to be warned if someone will edit my pics. hell i have given permission for that before. latest one was when a fellow deviant asked if he or she could change the colors on allycat avatar for a friend. then  this person doesn't have to justify the edit, and i dont have a swarm of notes to reply to XD



purpose of this journal btw is to be a sort of a collective reply to a growing number of notes about that picture. i don't really plan on hunting anyone down on the internet. just want to save myself the trouble of replying to the repeating note by just linking this post XD

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:iconremusmdh:
Remusmdh Featured By Owner Feb 10, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
With all the work you have done that could easily be fetishized (further), I'm not surprised you are easy going on all this. I mean or else you'd have gone nuts years ago due to all the manips of your work. But BS like this *sighs*

Times like this I wish my OC shadow "demoness* (Yes, dear, I know you find the label annoying, soothe yourself for now, this nice man was artistically violated) was real. Send out some feelers, locate this person, pay him/her a nice, and explain things to them. Yes, they might have some nightmares for a few years, but they'd survive... mostly, hopefully >_>

See, she doesn't kill (much) anymore, but she takes the welfare of her friends (possessions) personally so demon hunters and stuff stopped hunting her, and well... Fun when I get to unleash her, hehehehe. Anyways... enough from this creepy unstable writer >_>;;
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GINI-BEANIE Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
I hear ya. It's All About the Permission, First. If They Can't Acknoladge that, then there's Something wrong with them. it's not that Hard, to Just Fucking Ask. I LOVE you're work, BTW. i wouldn't Change a thing of it.
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LeisureINC Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013
So you'd like it if we let you know before hand before we use a pic as a reference. Because I guess I should let you know I want to use your humanized Chloe as a reference for a pic I'm doing. Hope that's ok.
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Anama-chan Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
It's a sad world and some people just think when you take something that doesn't belong to you but brandish their names on it makes it theirs.

I study at a prestigious design school and I've seen more than twice people that use amazing works at deviant art and just edit them and place their sticker name on it and get high grades just because teachers don't know the real artist.

Your work is incredible and could even say my favorite. It's a shame someone would edit it and take credit for it. Specially when you are kind enough to share it with us at no gain.

I just hope ass@#$#& like those won't make you stop sharing the amazing story and art you create to enjoy and inspire us.
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llywrch Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
You should mention this problem with your teachers.

Not in the manner of "Did you know X took that work you gave an A to from Deviant Art?" but more along the lines of "What would you do if someone copied art from Deviant Art?" Maybe even as a question during the first day of class each quarter/semester.

Because from what I remember of school, teachers get very upset when they discover their students plagiarizing in this manner; many are working artists who struggle with plagiarism all the time. Your asking this question will lead to a lecture about plagiarism. This may lead to the instructor making her/his own investigations & taking the necessary action -- & not put you at risk of being a "tattle-tale". At the least, it will scare off a few students from doing exactly that.
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Anama-chan Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Oh don't worry I didn't have to, the guy was found out, the worst part of it is that he used it for the thesis project. And he had already gotten the grade to pass. Since then he lost all trust with the teachers and of course there was a lecture.

Usually in my school we don't have these problems but there's always one or two people that think they can get what they want in life without working for it.
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tigerstorms Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Suggest watermarks on all your work. then set their person's website A FLAME! Granted it's nice to see that others have your interest and read your stuff, but just like the basic rules of copyrighting they should ALWAYS ask before use. from what I was told if you don't get a flat out NO or even a reply back you have ever right to use it. but if you never ask for it and just take it on your own accord to use something or edit something with out giving proper credit were it's due you should burn.
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dystar Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Basic netiquette must be observed. Even online communities have the capacity to ostracize its members. The Internet is not without its means of punishment. The eyes of society may glaze and ignore, but in a moment, they may focus and scowl. Protocol is not as simple as rules of conformity, something which sickens us rebels at heart, but they are intended for smooth social interaction, so we do not offend the people we do not wish to. I mean, by all means, if you want to insult someone, take a deuce right into their morning cup of coffee, but if you want someone to know the difference between your actions and offensive intent, it's important to understand protocol.
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darkninja0200 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013
Dam that sucks 3:
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:iconrattrap6:
rattrap6 Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist
Just a thought 'ere but maybe he didn't know who the artist is,I mean there are some lazy ass bastards out there when it comes to taggin' stuff...
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shiniez Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
original pic has shiniez.deviantart.com which he then removed and put his own site.. so ... highly unlikely
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rattrap6 Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist
Well then,he's a douche

'Though then again,it's a possibility he found it that way.For instance,my hobby is to find a monochrome picture and then color it(What? It's relaxing!) and often anything not related to the picture gets sent bye bye...Such as the artist's name...sometimes some lines...sometimes a body part...I never said I was good at it.

But then again,I don't go and post it under my name
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jeditoby Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013
Ah, fame. And fandom. And other dommes, I suppose. Still, totally support you on this.
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gambzilla Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013
And now I'm feeling guilty because my authorized editing didn't proceed. Still, I feel your pain, man. You ever considered making a graphic novel adaptation of the "Emerald Sword Saga" and of the "Dark Secrets Saga"? I should have to make some phone calls, but I think I could convince the Rhapsody of Fire to pay you for that.
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Yhamm Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013
Well, he might not even know where the picture comes from
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NikitaTarsov Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Hmmmm - the funny thing about is that bdsm people have a (statisticaly) much better feeling about social fairness(wouldnīt be a nice lifestyle if they had not^^).
People they call themself normal have no reason to mind about hese thematic to much...in many situations itīs even a hindrance for ther life to do......

So please gimme the "freak" card.

But - to keep your Chi in order, most of your works are a watermark at itself;)
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freedomfighter5000 Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013
Now you're being just(not even close) as bad as them! =P
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:iconnikitatarsov:
NikitaTarsov Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Hmmm, feels better than people use to say....
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:iconfreedomfighter5000:
freedomfighter5000 Featured By Owner Feb 7, 2013
It makes me a little sad that some people judge others on what they do in private with their lovers when they themselves do some pretty questionable things in public.
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:iconnikitatarsov:
NikitaTarsov Featured By Owner Feb 8, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Dayly tragidy. People use to group, whoever is the loser of this game, or whatever is the subject.
Iīm even happy that sexual specials arenīt such a great problem in my place than i hear of America and many other places. A strict lined society and a very special view on religion gives not many tolerance, no matter for what kind of difference to the most people. We are not very strict:lol:, and i see how perspectives can change - the most conservative person i know have changed ther position since his son getīs gay, so ther is hope for everyone - exept this lazy, dump creature called society;)
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shiniez Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
true dat!
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PhantomX999 Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i even fill slightly guilty if i'm making one of my fanart backgrounds just for my self. i searched all over DA before uploading my backgrounds of sunstone and submit them to the fanclub to see if the fan stuff bother you and have to bother you with a note or anything. tho it does bother me when someone thinks it's mine and all i've done is just a basic re-size and such.
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Jonot Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013
It's just nice to be asked.
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Cheetaur Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013
I don't like it when people do that to really nice people, I understand your anger. I do my best to give credit where it is do, my site has a lot of other peoples art on it and I make sure they know its there and where to find it. Also if they object i will of course remove it at once.

Sorry that things went awry

Be well and thanks for all the awesome art. :)

Sincerely Cheetaur
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alexasrosa Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
I wish there was a giant hand coming from the sky that would just bitch slap people like that.:slap:


It's really a shame that people do that kind of blatant entitlement with the cover of the net anonymity, especially with one of the most open and sharing guys out there.
You, sir, are one of a kind: not many people are willing to share work and knowledge as you are. So, THANK YOU
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kittyboy2222 Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013
Meow, I don't understand why people do that, I collect art and save in on my computer with it's title and the name of the author, (btw, I had your ponygirl sleigh scene as my computers background for a while, :) even though I don't repost it, how hard can it possibly be to add an name and maybe a link!
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Horrika Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013
you my friend have all the respect i could actually ever give
i just wish more artists on here had your mentality
i even wish i had your mentality
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Alexwind Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013
:manhug: :highfive:
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Mauser712 Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist Writer
It's not the editing, but the fucking stamping his OWN name on it like he did something that pisses me off. And watch, if someone copied the pic off his site, he'd be all butthurt like something was stolen from HIM.
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Offworldtrooper Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
It's happened to me too. I feel your pain.
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:iconizo84:
izo84 Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Give us his name and website and the shitstorm can begin immediately.
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:iconshiniez:
shiniez Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
nah, it is irrelevant. basically the whole damn thing comes down to, atleast warn me before you do this kind of stuff XD cause honestly i got 30 + notes about that thing already XD
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AresXVIII Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist Artist
Good to see you staying frosty!
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Jadeiriss Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013
:( putting aside pitchfork and torch
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:iconizo84:
izo84 Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ok, master......too bad. *Guys, secure the LOIC's and turn off this fire-up-music thing* [link]
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nouge Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
I hate when they edit my idols stuff...
deviantART muro drawing Comment Drawing
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:iconneurotype:
neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
You have the most relaxed view on people working with your stuff, it's a shame they aren't appreciating it more :|
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shiniez Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
its internet, i'm well aware people will either share or take my drawings. im okay with that, but i would at least appreciate a heads up when people are about to edit my own drawings. i will allow it most of the time, and it takes some really dark stuff to make me say no.

this is not even close to my cutoff line. but i would have appreciated a simple, hey, could i...
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neurotype Featured By Owner Feb 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Ahhh. Seems like that's becoming a common attitude for popular artists - better to keep tabs on where it's shared or copied than hope that won't happen at all :O

Yeah, I could imagine. If you can contact the artist and ask for permission, you should.
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ultracritic Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
man that really sucks im sorry, but as wrex from ME once said, "Their a bunch of idiots you should eat them
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LisaGorska Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
judging by the title i thought your internet was down or something. :XD:

well, there's one thing i've learned about imagery in internet - anything you upload might become someone's avatar, wallpaper, sticker, stamp, texture, background, recoloured and slightly edited addition to a portfolio etc. and getting angry at it doesn't usually help that much. well, not getting angry sometimes is even harder. :) but i love how laid back you are towards the whole deal.
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CAPnBlack Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
ur characters are like ariel...when she met us internet folks theres was no telling what might happen. that poor mermaid....
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:iconshiniez:
shiniez Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
XD
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LisaGorska Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
:XD:
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shibaji Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
...Can I do a fan art?
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:iconshiniez:
shiniez Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
of course. i never mind fanarts, this was someone taking my picture and changing it, not really a fanart XD
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Nephtis Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
That's a perfectably reasonable expectation - and not all people are as generous with the permissions to use their art as you are.
Personally, I hate it, too. I usually say yes when asked in advance, but I hate it when finished work gets uploaded to the net and I get a 'btw, used this here' comment.

That's a sure way to make me request its removal - especially if you upload it to facebook - I don't put my own things there for a reason, much less altered images or photos where I am only the model and have a Tfp contract with the photographer that specifies the allowed use.

Unless I say so in the text my work is not stock and I wish people would respect that.
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TomSchmitt Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
its the thought that counts, thats why i always ask if i can use photos as reference for my paintings
speaking of which wanna have me paint you and your wife ;D

and now you can just copy paste "see journal here [insert link]" to the notes and it will take 5 minutes
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shiniez Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
exactly
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TomSchmitt Featured By Owner Feb 4, 2013
i've always been pissed at people even in real life when they dont ask for things first

maybe its just they way we've been raised
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